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Session Start: Sun Oct 01 21:09:38 2000
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*** Topic is ' 2,4~ Next 2,7Topic: 2,8"Living and Enjoying" 2,9Sunday 2,11October 1 0,12at 9pm 2,13EDT ~ 0,2Hosted by Rev. Dr. Randolph Becker & Elissa Bishop Becker, M.Ed. (and Rikkity). URL: www.spiritualpersistence.com '

Deni . . .hey there is Lissa!
Elissa . . . deni-face!
Elissa . . . hi cat
Cat . . . Hi Elissa
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Elissa . . . hey fang :)
RevRandy . . . hey fang
fang . . . hey
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RevRandy . . . hello WT
Elissa . . . wt da man :)
WhitTiger . . . RR :)
RevRandy . . . wait - it is not Whitetiger .... it is WhitTiger -- he lost his e
Elissa . . . wt you're missing an "e" lol
Elissa . . . i'm sorta half here guys, so forgive me if i seem out of it... i'm morphing :)
WhitTiger . . . lol
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RevRandy . . . hello ima
Deni . . . hi ima
Elissa . . . hey imadreamer
imadreamer . . . hi
RevRandy . . . well, hello everyone
RevRandy . . . and welcome to Spiritual Persistence
RevRandy . . . our weekly chat
RevRandy . . . wherein we try to explore some concepts of spiritual persistence
RevRandy . . . our messages from the other side
RevRandy . . . life
RevRandy . . . death
RevRandy . . . meaning
RevRandy . . . fulfillment
RevRandy . . . etc
RevRandy . . . Anyone new here who would like the intro from Elissa?
Cat . . . I am new.
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Elissa . . . ok, i give you the tour :)
imadreamer . . . me too please
Honey_Child . . . Hello Everyone
RevRandy . . . it's for everyone
Elissa . . . RevRandy has been a Unitarian Universalist minister for
Elissa . . . almost 30 years, with a thriving congregation in
Elissa . . . Williamsburg, VA.
Elissa . . . I am a writer, medium, and counselor with
Elissa . . . a Masters degree (M.Ed.) in Community Counseling.
Elissa . . . My and RevRandy's daughter, Ericka (now known as Rikkity in spirit)
Elissa . . . died in an automobile collision with a drunk driver
Elissa . . . on August 20, 1995.
Elissa . . . She was 20 years old, and going into
Elissa . . . her junior year at Yale. 8 days after her death, RevRandy
Elissa . . . and I began communicating with her.
Elissa . . . Spiritual Persistence is Rikkity's name for the
Elissa . . . wisdom she has shared with us in the form of Points to
Elissa . . . Ponder.
Elissa . . . It is a unique vision of the nature of spiritual
Elissa . . . and physical existence, of the continuity between life
Elissa . . . and death, of connection, and of our place in the universe.
Elissa . . . And it is guidance we follow that has helped us to learn,
Elissa . . . to heal from grief, and to live better lives. We are here to
Elissa . . . share this wisdom with you and to explore what it means
Elissa . . . to you personally, as we learn from one another on this journey.
Elissa . . . If you have any further questions, please feel free to
Elissa . . . private message (pm) anyone with an "@" in front of their name
Elissa . . . or email Randy (RevRandy@spiritualpersistence.com)
Elissa . . . or me (ebb@spiritualpersistence.com) any time. Please let us know
Elissa . . . if you would like to be on our email list. Thanks for coming...
Elissa . . . and again, welcome!
Elissa . . . Does anyone have any questions before we begin?
WhiteTiger . . . lol... will there be refreshments, after?
Cat . . . No.
RevRandy . . . yes - at your house
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WhiteTiger . . . rats... snagged again
Cat . . . Spiritual refreshment, right?
Elissa . . . if you bring them, wt lol... but Rikkity will be here and she's refreshing :)
Elissa . . . right, cat!
Elissa . . . ((((((suwan))))))
imadreamer . . . Elissa could you tell us how your daughter first made contact with you
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RevRandy . . . hello hyper
Hypernoodle . . . HI RR :)
Elissa . . . well, right after her death i felt her presence.... before she communicated in words with us
WhiteTiger . . . Dudette ;)

Hypernoodle . . . TigerDude :)
fang . . . elissa is blessed
Elissa . . . i said to Randy "she's huge"
imadreamer . . . so she communicates in actual words???
Elissa . . . and then realized that i had to try to connect with her... it came as an intention on both sides
Honey_Child . . . How did you try to connect?
Elissa . . . o yes, ima... in fact, she will be here at about 10:12 tonight
RevRandy . . . we reached out and she reached out
Elissa . . . hey hyper!
imadreamer . . . you mean here on this chat???
RevRandy . . . about?????
Elissa . . . yep
RevRandy . . . yes, here
Hypernoodle . . . HI Elissa :)
imadreamer . . . wow how does that happen?
Elissa . . . honey, that's a long story and we tried a couple of times before we actually reached her
Cat . . . Elissa, do you channel her?
Elissa . . . i'll be channeling her tonight
RevRandy . . . (but we met some other nice spirits along the way)
imadreamer . . . ok so she will be speaking "through" you?
Honey_Child . . . guides?
Elissa . . . we connect in many different ways and that's one of them
Elissa . . . yes, guides
Elissa . . . yes ima
RevRandy . . . guides and "neighbors"
RevRandy . . . one of the things I have learned in this process is to not expect that "there" will be the same as "here" in terms of how entities relate, etc
RevRandy . . . so many of our words for things are just approximations to what it must be like there
Honey_Child . . . do you hear actual sentences--or just words...the presence..is it a smell, a thought...how do you know FOR sure that it is her. Do you ever worry about your imagination. I do and I am so unsure. I just want to connect with my loved one. I need that
RevRandy . . . Sentences? Long treatises at times
Elissa . . . o my... a lot of questions! honey, maybe it would be better if you emailed us
Elissa . . . we have to begin our topic
RevRandy . . . we would be glad to share
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Honey_Child . . . Yeah, I think I will. Sorry--very new to this
Elissa . . . you will see some of what she shares tonight
imadreamer . . . thank you
RevRandy . . . before we begin each session
Elissa . . . no problem, honey :)
RevRandy . . . we invite you to join us in some simple but special words of invocation (from Rikkity)
RevRandy . . . 0,2May we be connected to all things loving
RevRandy . . . 0,2Protected from all things evil
RevRandy . . . 0,2And guided in all ways gracious.
RevRandy . . . Amen
Deni . . . Amen
Elissa . . . amen~
imadreamer . . . amen
Cat . . . Amen.
fang . . . amen
WhiteTiger . . . aho
Honey_Child . . . amen
suwan . . . amen
RevRandy . . . And to help you follow what goes on, when you see something in that combination of white and blue, it has come to us from Rikkity ==== and tonight, since we are talking about the category that is orange in our website, it will be in an orange motif
RevRandy . . . For those of you who are new,
RevRandy . . . many of the ideas that have been shared with us have been assembled at our website
RevRandy . . . www.spiritualpersistence.com
RevRandy . . . according to 8 categories
RevRandy . . . (each with a color from the rainbow)
RevRandy . . . and tonight we are thinking about the category titled "Living and Enjoying"
RevRandy . . . It comes from some of the earliest contacts we had with her
RevRandy . . . when she spoke about a purpose of life was to live and enjoy.
RevRandy . . . But I have always been intrigued with this category
RevRandy . . . because it seems different from the others ... from things like Energy,
RevRandy . . . And it was startling in the midst of our profound grief to be told to think about living and enjoying
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RevRandy . . . one of the main themes of her messages to us has been about Learning and Remembering
RevRandy . . . which at first seemed to be almost an opposite idea -
RevRandy . . . how could living and enjoying have much to do with depth
RevRandy . . . but over the years I have come to really appreciate how important it is to think about how we live and how we enjoy that living
WhiteTiger . . . that seems odd.... why would it be startling?
RevRandy . . . So, tonight, we are going to share a couple of Points to Ponder from what has been given us, and we will begin a discussion about them, and then invite you into that discussion to see where it all goes
RevRandy . . . WT -- in the time that the idea first came to us, I know that I was not in a mood to hear much like that ... caught up in her death, and her physical loss from me
RevRandy . . . I could barely take a breath, much less worry about enjoying it
Elissa . . . yes, and that was the first lesson she taught us
RevRandy . . . So, let me share one of those Points to Ponder, and see where it takes us
WhiteTiger . . .-- shutting up ;)
Elissa . . . :)

RevRandy . . . 2,7"Ideals are good, but not for much.
RevRandy . . . 2,7Let's say you are going to buy a car.
RevRandy . . . 2,7You know what a perfect car is, but hey, there ain't no such thing on the market.
RevRandy . . . 2,7So you buy the best available to you, and you may modify it or customize it a bit;
RevRandy . . . 2,7but you also change your expectations.
RevRandy . . . 2,7You become real, man.
RevRandy . . . 2,7If you decided to deal with the car without changing yourself and
RevRandy . . . 2,7accepting the reality, you would drive yourself miserable,
RevRandy . . . 2,7and what's the point--car won't only change so much,
RevRandy . . . 2,7and you ain't gonna be having no perfect car.
RevRandy . . . 2,7So why be miserable. Be flexible and happy." (9/30/97 - O#22)
RevRandy . . . If I waited until I knew that life would be perfect
RevRandy . . . and postponed my living and enjoying until I could be assured that it would be exactly what I wanted
RevRandy . . . I would be waiting forever.
RevRandy . . . Life, like cars, do not come in perfection
RevRandy . . . Life comes as it comes.
RevRandy . . . And we have the opportunity to respond to it as we wish.
RevRandy . . . We can live it ... or we can try to avoid it .... or deny it ...
RevRandy . . . but anything less than living it will certainly not be enjoyable ...
RevRandy . . . and here is the point I got to in time
RevRandy . . . if we are going to be able to find meaning .... to learn from life,
RevRandy . . . we have to be willing to live it
RevRandy . . . and if we make "perfection" or having it our way be the criteria, then we will never enjoy it
fang . . . even during the yeeechy times?
RevRandy . . . yes, even in the yucky times
RevRandy . . . because as bad as they are,
RevRandy . . . they are our times
RevRandy . . . they are the stuff out of which we need to make our lives
RevRandy . . . we might not choose it, but there it is
RevRandy . . . any alternative would leave us avoiding life and also the lessons of life
RevRandy . . . IMHO
RevRandy . . . But, what do you think about all of this?
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fang . . . i just wish some lessons weren't sooooooooooo hard
Cat . . . I have had a lot of pain and loss in my life, but I now know that is the only way we learn her on the earth plane.
fang . . . then i ought to be a graduate student when i get to the other side
Elissa . . . we can also learn through joy, i believe.... but the key is to accept whatever life presents to us because that's where we are
Elissa . . . lol fang
suwan . . . well I often think I'm just a slow learner
Deni . . . oh what if it's all just circumstance..nothing to do with lessons being learned...just life the way it is
WhiteTiger . . . For me it's real simple.. I don't figure I'm qualified to put value judgements on what the creator has seen fit to put in front of me. So far it has always been the right thing in the long run... when I think it sucks it's cuz I ain't swift enough to see it right
RevRandy . . . yes, Elissa -- good point -- we are so quick to embrace a change we like, and often resist the others
Cat . . . And we have to look for joy in little things.
Elissa . . . trying to control things can slow us down
RevRandy . . . WT - perspective does have a lot to do with it, doesn't it
fang . . . oh no, that's terrible for a control freak like fang ;)
Elissa . . . circumstance is what we learn from, deni-face
Deni . . . well..I mean with no greater picture in mind....just playing the skeptic here
RevRandy . . . WOW -- this all brings back to mind an experience I had forgotten about
Elissa . . . hmmmm.... good question.... what if there is no other purpose than just to live and be?
Deni . . . yes
imadreamer . . . but what about children that are abused, what are they suppose to learn
Deni . . . well put
RevRandy . . . I was (in those days) studying physics (another life of mine)
fang . . . john lennon?
RevRandy . . . and had an experiment to do ....
Elissa . . . :)
RevRandy . . . and all of those who got the expected results got a C
RevRandy . . . and all of those who had their experiments go awry and then talked about what happened and what they learned from it got As
Elissa . . . ima, they learn whatever they learn, and it won't be the same for all of them and some of them won't learn anything at all
imadreamer . . . hmmm
RevRandy . . . As the Prof said, if you only get what you expect to get, what's the point
Elissa . . . (sorry RR, but i thought that was important to respond to)
WhiteTiger . . . Deni- circumstance doesn't explain much, imo. When the very sructure and fabric of this place are programmed to create the circumstances, that word just moves the "I dunno" line back a level or two more remote
RevRandy . . . no problem -- I like multiple threads
suwan . . . also E there's the karma issue
fang . . . like a quilt of many colors?
* Deni is the QUEEN of "I dunno" WT :)
WhiteTiger . . . lol
RevRandy . . . WT - are the structures and fabric of this place actually there or do they appear to be there because we live in that matrix (of belief)?
Elissa . . . what do you see as the role of karma suwan?
suwan . . . for the abused child
RevRandy . . . (should be a comma in there somewhere .... karma suwan)
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fang . . . someone can help them if they choose too,,, can't they
suwan . . . possibly working off karma from a previous life and providing a lesson for those around him
suwan . . . actually that's my real first name, Karma Sue my family calls me
WhiteTiger . . . RR- near as I can figure, we're given the set of perceptive limitations that allow us to function here... or perhaps it's the other way around and there are aspects of what is to suit all possible sets of limitations
Elissa . . . yes... you mean they'd been an abuser before? maybe, but who knows... maybe they just needed to learn about violence or energy-sucking
Elissa . . . lol suwan
RevRandy . . . or maybe it is not about the child alone, but the whole system in which the child exists
suwan . . . yes of course rev
imadreamer . . . so the whole system must learn lessons?
suwan . . . after all, I've come to the conclusion that the grief is not about death or loss, it's about how we react
RevRandy . . . going down the karma road, we have to be careful that we don't put limitations where vistas might be
WhiteTiger . . . mmm.. another possibility is that they may be assigned to teach that lesson to someone else
Elissa . . . great point, suwan
RevRandy . . . one of the things that Rikkity spoke to us about was to think beyond "choices" to opportunities
Elissa . . . not unless it serves their own development as well, wt
RevRandy . . . openings, not just steps
Elissa . . . right
RevRandy . . . and openings that did not imply a whole set of consequences, but openings that offered other opportunities
WhiteTiger . . . Elissa- well, that's kinda a given, ain't it? any and every experience ya catalog adds something
Elissa . . . and i don't have an opening for my next PtoP, but here goes anyway :)
RevRandy . . . go for it
Elissa . . . if you learn from it, wt :)
RevRandy . . . and remember
Elissa . . . 2,7"Spiritual guides... usually begin by feeling full, not empty.
Elissa . . . 2,7They come to share, not to cure.
Elissa . . . 2,7And they know they can't give you your spirit's experience--only you can--
Elissa . . . 2,7but they feel the fullness so strongly, they know it is possible for those who choose.
Elissa . . . 2,7Psychologists begin with a belief that a patient is in a deficit
Elissa . . . 2,7and they will help bring them up to normal,
Elissa . . . 2,7but people who are spiritual guides believe you start normal
Elissa . . . 2,7and they help you find the extraordinary.
Elissa . . . 2,7
Elissa . . . 2,7"Filling a hole or building a hill takes the same amount of dirt,
Elissa . . . 2,7but the end product gives a much different view." (excerpt from 1/27/96 - O#6)
Elissa . . . here is a vision of fullness that we usually don't hear from experts...
Elissa . . . in discussions with religious leaders or self-help "gurus" i've come to
Elissa . . . expect that either they or some participant will change their focus from
Elissa . . . a vision of possibility to "what is wrong with the human race"... they may
Elissa . . . end by offering help or guidance,
Elissa . . . but by that time it feels much more like
Elissa . . . hole-filling than hill-building...
Elissa . . . it feels discouraging, as though we all
Elissa . . . have such a long way to go that it hardly seems possible
Elissa . . . that any small
Elissa . . . thing we do or change we make would matter.
Elissa . . . and yet we each sense that there are possibilities beyond what we know...
Elissa . . . and that's what makes life something to treasure...
Elissa . . . what are your thoughts on this?
imadreamer . . . so if you are just filling the hole to bide your time that's kind of dumb
imadreamer . . . but if you are filling it to build a hill, that is constructive
Elissa . . . in essence, ima :)
imadreamer . . . ok
imadreamer . . . you have a goal
Elissa . . . a goal, a dream, a vision, a sense of possibility
imadreamer . . . ok
imadreamer . . . rather than a void
Elissa . . . not just acting or reacting out of need
RevRandy . . . When we are in the midst of one of life's seeming low points, we need to take an honest look around and see what is the norm ... death, loss, disease, etc. .... all people go through that ... it is part of the human experience -- you are not in a hole, but on the plane with everyone
Cat . . . I think we have to strive towards perfection, one little step at a time, even knowing we won't reach it in this life.
Elissa . . . cat, how can we know what perfection is?
WhiteTiger . . . the dif I s is one of value judgement... the "deficit' thinking assumes the thinker is qualified to pass judgment on something.. The "advancement" thinker is concerned with change an movement, without passing judgment on the starting conditions
RevRandy . . . (or purrrrfecton)
Elissa . . . exactly wt
Cat . . . That is true, but I think Good in all our acts would be perfection. Always caring, always loving (which is the essence of God).
RevRandy . . . so to move toward, bend toward, that which would appear to be "living" and "enjoying" would be a goal
Elissa . . . and there's the problem with aiming for perfection, cat... we're not there yet so we cannot know what that means
RevRandy . . . direction, not perfection
Elissa . . . and if we were there, we would stop growing and learning... we'd die
suwan . . . hmmm one of my favorite authors says "everything is perfect" meaning it's exactly as it should be
imadreamer . . . but what about those who give up and take their own life
Cat . . . I don't think I have to worry about that for a while :D !
imadreamer . . . what have they accomplished
RevRandy . . . at its present moment, I would add, suwan
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Elissa . . . me either cat lol
WhiteTiger . . . hmmmm... ya missed me with that one... how in the world can perfection be a terminal condition?
suwan . . . this is sometimes hard to swallow I think, but it is very comforting too
RevRandy . . . if living is a process of motion, and if you reached the end of the road, stop the process, then life is gone
WhiteTiger . . . I happen to agree with that one, suwan... "the creator is the ONLY one that makes no mistakes" ;)
RevRandy . . . hey -- it is 10, and time for a break --- which we need to take if Rikkity is going to join us soon.
Elissa . . . yep yep yep
Elissa . . . bbbbbbbbbbbbbrrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaakkkkkkkkkkkkkk
Elissa . . . chat away
RevRandy . . . break break break (keep on talking ---- we just need a few minutes .....)brb
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Deni . . . hi tracy
ATracy__in_FL . . . Hi
Deni . . . we are at a break right now
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Deni . . . wb angelv
angelv . . . hello
Deni . . . angel you caught everyone at break time
Deni . . . they will be right back
Deni . . . Rikkity is about to make an appearence
angelv . . . cool
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WhiteTiger . . . hi JD
JD . . . hey all
WhiteTiger . . . intermission time... but things are about to recommence
RevRandy . . . we are just finishing our break (but we are not broken!)
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Rikkity . . . hi hi.... it's me
RevRandy . . . hey there moo
imadreamer . . . hi
Rikkity . . . hi
Deni . . . hi Rikkity
Rikkity . . . Now breathe deeply.
Rikkity . . . hi face
Rikkity . . . Inspiring is breathing in,

Rikkity . . . and inspiring is being filled with spirit.
Rikkity . . . While you are in the physical,
Rikkity . . . your body can teach you many lessons.
Rikkity . . . It can be a messenger between spirit and physical.
Rikkity . . . It is not spirit, but it can translate
Rikkity . . . some of what spirit is into linear terms you can understand.
Rikkity . . . It can be a temple, yes, but only if the temple
Rikkity . . . is a venue for connection with spirit.
Rikkity . . . Your body can bring you enjoyment,
Rikkity . . . but that is not the same thing as pleasure.
Rikkity . . . It may be pleasurable to pass your days reclining on a sofa,
Rikkity . . . but that will bring your body to a state of dissolution and weakness.
Rikkity . . . And is that enjoyment. I theeeeenk not.
Rikkity . . . So to enjoy you must push yourself
Rikkity . . . beyond the limits of what is pleasurable.
Rikkity . . . It may not be pleasurable to lift heavy weights,
Rikkity . . . but when they make you stronger you are able to enjoy what your body
Rikkity . . . can do more fully. So enjoyment is not about the "here and now,"
Rikkity . . . but about the "then and how do i get there."
Rikkity . . . And in the "then" is the abundance of possibility.
Rikkity . . . That's all.
Rikkity . . . Watching the Olympics may be pleasurable,
Rikkity . . . but it won't get you the joy of lighting that blazing torch.
Rikkity . . . Remember the difference. And remember that in order to breathe in,
Rikkity . . . you must breathe out. Ponder that.
Rikkity . . . And now i must go. Love and hugs. Goodbye. Come, Sandy.
RevRandy . . . bye Moo
WhiteTiger . . . lolol
RevRandy . . . thank you
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Deni . . . (((Rikkity and Elissa-poo))))))))
Elissa . . . whew! brb
RevRandy . . . Elissa will be back -- she needs a "breather"
suwan . . . wb E
RevRandy . . . lots of stuff in what Rikkity said!
WhiteTiger . . . bottom line seems to be "life ain't a spectator sport.. ya either play or hit the showers"
RevRandy . . . WT - yes, and it is played not for pleasure, but for enjoyment ... which are two different things
RevRandy . . . it may not always be that great -- it may hurt
WhiteTiger . . . not the only reasons to play, though
Hypernoodle . . . for sure, Tiger
RevRandy . . . and others would be .....
RevRandy . . . (in alphabetical or priority order please)
WhiteTiger . . . "it's a dirty job, but it needs done" lol
RevRandy . . . duty
RevRandy . . . necessity?
Hypernoodle . . . preparation
WhiteTiger . . . or devotion... depends which side of the coin comes up
RevRandy . . . ok - let's look at that --- there is some "job" that needs doing (which could be going through some experience, etc)
RevRandy . . . and we have the opportunity of it being in our lives
RevRandy . . . why would we do it unless we were going to get something out of it?
RevRandy . . . But what?
RevRandy . . . satisfaction at what was done
RevRandy . . . relief from guilt over it not being done
RevRandy . . . or some measure of learning and fulfillment even though it was not a pleasurable thing to do
WhiteTiger . . . or the duty to experience it, cuz it suits the creator to have that aspect of "what is" enhanced by knowing awareness at that place/time/dimension
RevRandy . . . so, if one accepts an outside, separate creator,
RevRandy . . . then in fulfilling that creator's plans
RevRandy . . . one finds meaning -- being part of the larger schema of creation
WhiteTiger . . . mmm.. not necessarily
RevRandy . . . not because it is pleasurable , but because it is meaningful
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WhiteTiger . . . naw... cuz it's required ;)
RevRandy . . . required???? - hey, who died and made God god?
RevRandy . . . or, in a less smart-alec mode -- if you didn't do it, you wouldn't be you
WhiteTiger . . . I haven't said word one about god.. those are almost numberless... all I've referred to is the creator
RevRandy . . . I was also intrigued by the reference to our physical selves
RevRandy . . . that our bodies can be translation mediums between the spiritual and the physical
RevRandy . . . they can be our connections
WhiteTiger . . . meat machines ;)
RevRandy . . . what do you think?
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RevRandy . . . but to be spiritual in a physical form must imply some role of the physical at this level of development
WhiteTiger . . . imo, without the body to reflect and enhance the spirit here in 3D, it'd be nothing but amorphous unfocussed poltergeists everywhere
RevRandy . . . so, a method of focusing of energy
WhiteTiger . . . body= 3D network card for the spiritual OS
RevRandy . . . rofl
RevRandy . . . I think Rikkity would like that one
RevRandy . . . but when we don't use the card right, the spiritual OS can freeze up, shut down, who knows what
WhiteTiger . . . lmao... that might explain yuppies!
Hypernoodle . . . What is "right"?
RevRandy . . . (and you thought windows was complex .....introducing WINDOWS ETERNITY .... no spirit should operate without it
geli . . . what would be a wrong use or for that matter a right use of the OS? :)
RevRandy . . . well, IMHO, if we try to operate in ways contrary to what our living system is telling us ... that would be a "wrong" use -
Hypernoodle . . . the living system being the 3D body?
WhiteTiger . . . geli- that's the point... the OS can't define it's own parameters.. takes the system designer (creator) to do that
RevRandy . . . and a right use .... trying to maximize the data flow from our physical existence so that we can see how it interacts with our spiritual existence
geli . . . What if you don't know how to use the OS to tune in? :)
WhiteTiger . . . "Windows Eternity for Complete Idiots" hits the shelves this fall ;)
RevRandy . . . well, you are doing that right now -- seeking out some technical manuals (spiritual thinking) that might tell you how your OS works
Hypernoodle . . . lol....tiger
Elissa . . . lol
Hypernoodle . . . Is each spirit different.....individual....unique?
Deni . . . what is OS??? she asks shyly at the HUGE risk of looking stupid!!
Hypernoodle . . . (operating system)
geli . . . what would help with the fine tuning? Sometimes I just think that I am hitting buttons on the keyboard without success?
RevRandy . . . Problem is that most technical manuals (religions) assume that all people operate the same
Elissa . . . i love this part: "So enjoyment is not about the ‘here and now,'
Elissa . . . but about the ‘then and how do i get there.' And in the ‘then' is the abundance of possibility."
Deni . . . ah ha!! Thanks Hyper!
Hypernoodle . . . welcome Deni.....I asked a long time ago lol
WhiteTiger . . . RR- notice how this parallel is shaping up? the OS is trying to determine "why" on the basis of it HAS to be for the OS's good...
Elissa . . . abundance is what we expand into
Elissa . . . (just talking to myself here lol)
WhiteTiger . . . lol
Hypernoodle . . . me too, Elissa
RevRandy . . . no - talk to us
Hypernoodle . . . I am still waiting on the answer to the last one lol
geli . . . me too.:)
Elissa . . . i'm still floating and not quite following the conversation :)
Hypernoodle . . . I'm ahead as usual and don't want to back up
RevRandy . . . to every then that has become a here and now, we get a sense of motion
geli . . . What if I am looking for clearer output? :)
Elissa . . . lol hyper
RevRandy . . . sometimes you just got to live through a period when the output runs sloppy
RevRandy . . . or maybe you are using someone else's system, not your own
geli . . . just what i wanted to hear:)
geli . . . hmm, that's a thought.

Elissa . . . look to the abundance of your possibilities, geli
WhiteTiger . . . geli- try defragging... clear out the impediments ;)
geli . . . lol tiger
Hypernoodle . . . then there is the ?........Where did I leave the defragger?
Elissa . . . is that filling a hole or building a hill, wt?
RevRandy . . . if the "there and then" is not bounded, but open, then abundance becomes possible
geli . . . what are the impediments, let's draw some comparisons again
Hypernoodle . . . no power for one, geli
geli . . . lol hyper
WhiteTiger . . . that's clearing the construction site, Elissa... elevation unspecified ;)
Hypernoodle . . . loose connections :)
RevRandy . . . I, for one, have found that one impediment for me, has been to think that life's "low points" were uniquely mine
geli . . . outdated software
Elissa . . . lol wt... sounds boring
Hypernoodle . . . for sure, geli
WhiteTiger . . . geli- scattered resources is what defragging is initially aimed at correcting
suwan . . . Well, to put in my 2 cents worth, as you all know, I'm not exactly known for my cheerful disposition
Hypernoodle . . . and liking the old programs better than the new and improved versions
suwan . . . however, I do try to keep a positive outlook, you know, everything is perfect
Elissa . . . suwan we love you anyway
WhiteTiger . . . suwan- that's ok.. you ain't seen me grumpy yet ;)
suwan . . . and am constantly amazed at the negativity over "small stuff" that I encounter
RevRandy . . . well, here comes another PtoP
RevRandy . . . 2,7"A lesson:
RevRandy . . . 2,7If you wait for a full glass you may die of thirst.
RevRandy . . . 2,7Life is rarely--if ever--full, but always abundant.
RevRandy . . . 2,7But people mistake one for the other.
RevRandy . . . 2,7Say you have a gallon of wine.
RevRandy . . . 2,7Does it matter if each wine glass is filled once full or twice half full.
RevRandy . . . 2,7If one looks for fullness, this is an example of scarcity thinking.
geli . . . hmm, i like these comparisons. speaking to me in riddles works. :)
RevRandy . . . 2,7"That's what a lot of people do.
RevRandy . . . 2,7It's like couples who say their wedding was ruined because the cake was the wrong flavor.
RevRandy . . . 2,7If the measure is completion or fullness or totality, scarcity is the motif.
RevRandy . . . 2,7But if quality and process and faith abide, then abundance is the motif.
RevRandy . . . 2,7Two people at a table:
RevRandy . . . 2,7one eats everything he can;
RevRandy . . . 2,7the other eats simply but complains that there wasn't enough,
RevRandy . . . 2,7or he thought there won't be.
RevRandy . . . 2,7The gourmand, despite his excesses, is a believer in abundance;
RevRandy . . . 2,7while the other focuses on scarcity.
RevRandy . . . 2,7Just listen to people and hear what they say.
RevRandy . . . 2,7You'll start hearing which is which.
RevRandy . . . 2,7"The question should not be,
RevRandy . . . 2,7'Is the glass full,'
RevRandy . . . 2,7but rather,
RevRandy . . . 2,7'What's in the glass.'
RevRandy . . . 2,7Get it. And not the volume in the glass.
RevRandy . . . 2,7Your scraps of near nothing can be a feast for another;
RevRandy . . . 2,7a plate full of s h i t is just a plate full of s h i t.
RevRandy . . . 2,7And a grain of hope can change the world." (12/8/97 - O#23)
Elissa . . . suwan, i can relate to that
RevRandy . . . Suwan -- this one speaks to some of what you were saying - about how people get negative to such small stuff
RevRandy . . . They focus on what they don't have, rather than the quality of what they do have
WhiteTiger . . . agree almost completely with that PtoP... expectation is a bummer... when ya build yer expectations, ya do it from yer own perspective, with you as the center of the world... and the world almost always has other ideas about what is important
geli . . . so I guess I have to clean out old files, update my software, defrag, and every so often do a backup for emergencies too, eh? :)
Deni . . . sheesh geli!!! LOL Will it ever end???
WhiteTiger . . . geli- why not just upgrade and be done with it? ;)
Elissa . . . and keep adding to your memory!
Elissa . . . deni, would you really want it to end???
Deni . . . I don't think it ever does end!
Deni . . . :)
geli . . . good thought, I must be expecting emergencies /:)
Elissa . . . nope :)
Elissa . . . oooooo good insight, geli
RevRandy . . . (I was so disappointed when I went to see "The Never-Ending Story" and the movie ended.)
Deni . . . lol Rev
WhiteTiger . . . lolol
Elissa . . . lol
geli . . . lol
WhiteTiger . . . RR- it ain't over yet... they only got one sequel out
Elissa . . . i have another PtoP, too... and it fits here, i think
RevRandy . . . To me, if I am in a never-ending story which is now playing out in this life, then whatever glass I am handed I better find meaningful, for it will be around for a long time
RevRandy . . . go for it E
Elissa . . . and i wrote my thoughts about it before the channeling when i could think straight lol
Elissa . . . ok
* WhiteTiger ignores that staightline
geli . . . go ahead,
* Elissa is eternally grateful
Elissa . . . 2,7"Here's some thoughts on immortality.
Elissa . . . 2,7There ain't none.
Elissa . . . 2,7People die.
Elissa . . . 2,7In fact, entities of greater and lesser complexity also die, so to speak.
Elissa . . . 2,7Immortality is an attempt to deny the essence of a vital, throbbing reality.
Elissa . . . 2,7To be immortal means one is not mortal, which means one does not live nor learn,
Elissa . . . 2,7and certainly does not remember.
Elissa . . . 2,7To stop the inevitable is unnatural--not to mention stupid.
Elissa . . . 2,7'Go with the flow' would be a good slogan.
Elissa . . . 2,7
Elissa . . . 2,7"So, if you don't have immortality, then what.
Elissa . . . 2,7Then you focus on moving on, not staying put.
Elissa . . . 2,7You get focused on being and becoming yourself as fully as possible.
Elissa . . . 2,7 2,7To get caught worrying about being remembered is to miss the secret.
Elissa . . . 2,7So when we speak of stopping the ravages of time and death,
Elissa . . . 2,7we are really speaking of raping life." (2/28/97 - O#16)
Elissa . . . immortality... isn't that what Revlon sells? isn't that what plastic
Elissa . . . surgeons want us to buy? isn't that why so many people look for fame and
Elissa . . . wealth to justify their existence? isn't that what some look for cloning to
Elissa . . . accomplish? to me, one thing this is saying is that changing, aging,
Elissa . . . consuming resources are part of life... to try to block change,
Elissa . . . to try to stop ourselves from growing old, to think we can hold onto
WhiteTiger . . . all that dies is the body.. and when ya leave it behind, ya leave all the baggage ya had to have when ya moved in... you get a new set if ya do it again
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Elissa . . . what we own or are, to seek to create an image of ourselves that will be
Elissa . . . frozen on the pages of history books, is to deny and dessicrate our very nature.
Elissa . . . this seems to connect with what we were talking about before (perfection)... and also with Rikkity's thoughts on abundance and enjoyment
geli . . . so how do you know if you are just creating an image or following your nature, elissa? :)
Elissa . . . hmmmm... good question, geli....
Deni . . . does that mean I have to stop covering the gray????
* Deni grins
WhiteTiger . . . the image is what ya perceive... yer nature/essence is what you are.. the perceiver...
RevRandy . . . what grey
Elissa . . . i think it may have to do with whether you are continually focused on growing or trying to reach a certain point in order to stop growing
Elissa . . . hahahahaha deni
Elissa . . . does that make sense?
geli . . . life and spirit has a way to "force" you to grow, at least for me.
RevRandy . . . Elissa - I like that point -- is it about the growth or the arrival
Elissa . . . it has to be a 2-way street.... many people try to stop the process
Elissa . . . ty RR :) not bad for a space cadet, eh lol
RevRandy . . . huh
Elissa . . . so class, where do we find the abundance of life?
RevRandy . . . well, before we go (in about 3 minutes) a simple question -- how do you live and enjoy?
RevRandy . . . lol
Elissa . . . lol
geli . . . This whole thing about listening to spirit is what I am trying to learn more. I have been part of organized religion for years, but last year felt a stirring that there was a way to tune in more. So here I am after a few episodes of what I can truly say was a voice inside of me, that I want to hear clearer and more frequently.
RevRandy . . . (might get our act together someday)
Elissa . . . (not likely)
RevRandy . . . good for you geli -- opening yourself to new possibilities
Deni . . . abundance of life is frame of mind....we find what we seek
geli . . . So I guess I should just relax, ask and stay open?
Elissa . . . keep listening, geli
Elissa . . . yes deni, seeking has to be part of it... an active seeking
RevRandy . . . deni - that reminds me of a reggae songs we were listening to .... we are going to the promised land; I hope you will be ready === and then later, it is not in America, it is not in Africa, the promised land is a state of mind
Deni . . . good lyrics!!
RevRandy . . . great song
RevRandy . . . (Miss Elissa found that CD for us)
Elissa . . . so any more answers, questions, comments before we close?
RevRandy . . . Well, folks, the old clock is about to strike out 11 .... and then end of our chat time
WhiteTiger . . . geli- look further inside... find that well that is so deep within that the bottom of it is outside ;)
geli . . . thanks tiger
Hypernoodle . . . good night to all and have a great week :)
Elissa . . . and take a mediumship class at spiritspace
suwan . . . you can do it geli
RevRandy . . . and don't mistake 7 ten foot wells for 1 70 foot well
Elissa . . . nite hyper, you too :)
Deni . . . night everyone
suwan . . . many of us have done it who never believed we could
RevRandy . . . be well, hyper, and deni and all
suwan . . . night denipoo
Deni . . . :)
geli . . . where is spiritspace?
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WhiteTiger . . . this one can't be mistaken RR... what is at the bottom is unique LOL
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Elissa . . . 12,0!Elissa rainbow.mid 0,12 :o)
suwan . . . www.spiritspace.net
geli . . . thanks
geli . . . :)
WhiteTiger . . . nite RR, Elissa :)
RevRandy . . . night all - and thank you to all ,,, and to my beloved Rikkity
geli . . . thanks everyone
suwan . . . night rev, thank you
Elissa . . . goodnight everyone and thank you for being here tonight
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suwan . . . night Missy E
Elissa . . . nite sweet su :)
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suwan . . . goodnight everyone else
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WhiteTiger . . . always fun.. thx you two ;)
RevRandy . . . nite
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Elissa . . . always enjoyable, wt :)
Session Close: Sun Oct 01 23:07:18 2000