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Session Start: Sun Nov 19 20:43:49 2000 *** Now talking in #SpiritualPersistence
*** Topic is ' 2,4~ Next 2,7Topic: 2,8"Dimensions of the Spirit" 2,9Sunday 2,11November 19 0,12at 9pm 2,13EDT ~ 0,2Hosted by Rev. Dr. Randolph Becker & Elissa Bishop Becker, M.Ed. (and Rikkity). URL: www.spiritualpersistence.com '

marion. . . . .i have a question
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marion. . . . .elissa what kind of site is this?
shelly. . . . .what is the topic tonight
Elissa. . . . .ah... this is where we discuss the messages that our daughter in spirit has communicated to me and my husband
Elissa. . . . .tonight's topic is Dimensions of the Spirit
shelly. . . . .as far as the afterlife?
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Elissa. . . . .life and afterlife, shelly... it's all part of the whole
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RevRandy. . . . .hi everyone
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* Moon : Hello everyone!

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Elissa. . . . .are we ready to start?
kxkoda. . . . .sure
marion. . . . .ready here
WhiteTiger. . . . .Elissa, kxkoda, RR :)
Jackie. . . . .sounds good
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RevRandy. . . . .hey hyper
Hypernoodle. . . . .Hi RevRandy :)
Hypernoodle. . . . .Tigerdude :)
WhiteTiger. . . . .hiya TF
Hypernoodle. . . . .Hi kxkoda :)
Elissa. . . . .hey hyper :)
Hypernoodle. . . . .HI Elissa :)
RevRandy. . . . .OK - let's start and see what happens
Elissa. . . . .oooo look at all the big smiles :)
Elissa. . . . .ok
RevRandy. . . . .:--------))))))))))))
Elissa. . . . .lol
RevRandy. . . . .RR can't get his mouth shut
Hypernoodle. . . . .looks like a smiley face tie
WhiteTiger. . . . .whoa! schnoz like durante there RR
Elissa. . . . .it does!
RevRandy. . . . .dabba dabba doo
Hypernoodle. . . . .lol
WhiteTiger. . . . .lol
Elissa. . . . .lol
TF88. . . . .not to mention the gazillion chins
WhiteTiger. . . . .rofl
Elissa. . . . .or santa claus beard
Hypernoodle. . . . .let's not talk more than one chin please hehe
WhiteTiger. . . . .durante meets prudhomme?
RevRandy. . . . .welcome to SP
Elissa. . . . .welcome!
RevRandy. . . . .our weekly about communications from the other side
Hypernoodle. . . . .all is lost.....we are wild
Elissa. . . . .o well, what else is new lol
RevRandy. . . . .and so, an intro, please
Elissa. . . . .yes, the intro... may i have an egg roll... i mean a drum roll, please :)
RevRandy. . . . .sure - with mustard
marion. . . . .ddddddddddd
Jackie. . . . .shrimp or pork
Elissa. . . . .thank you
Elissa. . . . .RevRandy has been a Unitarian Universalist minister for
Elissa. . . . .almost 30 years, with a thriving congregation in
Elissa. . . . .Williamsburg, VA. I am a writer, medium, and counselor with
Elissa. . . . .a Master's degree (M.Ed.) in Community Counseling.
Elissa. . . . .My and RevRandy's daughter, Ericka (now known as Rikkity in spirit)
Elissa. . . . .died in an automobile collision with a drunk driver
Elissa. . . . .on August 20, 1995. She was 20 years old, and going into
Elissa. . . . .her junior year at Yale. 8 days after her death, RevRandy
Elissa. . . . .and I began communicating with her.
Elissa. . . . .Spiritual Persistence is Rikkity's name for the
Elissa. . . . .wisdom she has shared with us in the form of Points to
Elissa. . . . .Ponder. It is a unique vision of the nature of spiritual
Elissa. . . . .and physical existence, of the continuity between life
Elissa. . . . .and death, of connection, and of our place in the universe.
Elissa. . . . .And it is guidance we follow that has helped us to learn,
Elissa. . . . .to heal from grief, and to live better lives. We are here to
Elissa. . . . .share this wisdom with you and to explore what it means
Elissa. . . . .to you personally, as we learn from one another on this journey.
Elissa. . . . .If you have any further questions, please feel free to
Elissa. . . . .private message (pm) anyone with an "@" in front of their name
Elissa. . . . .or email Randy (RevRandy@spiritualpersistence.com)
Elissa. . . . .or me (ebb@spiritualpersistence.com) any time.
Elissa. . . . .And please let us know if you would like to be on our email list
Elissa. . . . .for chat notices and Points to Ponder.
Elissa. . . . .Thanks for coming... and again, welcome!
Elissa. . . . .Does anyone have any questions before we begin?
WhiteTiger. . . . .yeah.. got any more of those egg rolls?
Elissa. . . . .i'll dcc you one, wt
Elissa. . . . .ok, no if there are no questions, we can have the invocation, randy
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RevRandy. . . . .before we begin, we always offer a simple invocation
RevRandy. . . . .please join in the spirit of these words:
RevRandy. . . . . 0,2May we be connected to all things loving
RevRandy. . . . . 0,2Protected from all things evil
RevRandy. . . . . 0,2And guided in all ways gracious.
RevRandy. . . . .Amen
Jackie. . . . .Amen
TF88. . . . .peace
Elissa. . . . .amen~
Moon. . . . .Amen
WhiteTiger. . . . .aho
marion. . . . .amen
kxkoda. . . . .amen
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RevRandy. . . . .And before we go much further, let me explain something
journey. . . . .hi Elissa and RevRandy
journey. . . . .nice to be here for a change :)
Elissa. . . . .nice to see you here, journey!
RevRandy. . . . .usually I can type with some semblance of reality
Elissa. . . . .here comes the disclaimer lol
* WhiteTiger ignores the straight line
RevRandy. . . . .but for the past 8 days I have been on some nasties to deal with a set of muscle spasms
Elissa. . . . .that shows great self-control, wt
RevRandy. . . . .which seem to have no effect but tp cut the pain ANd make it nearlhy ipossinle fo me to type well
RevRandy. . . . .I have inherited WT's paws
Elissa. . . . .o no :(
WhiteTiger. . . . .:P
kxkoda. . . . .sorry
WhiteTiger. . . . .lol
Elissa. . . . .interesting words you have there, randy lol
RevRandy. . . . .so, whatever comes out ......so it goes
Jackie. . . . .hope you are better soon
journey. . . . .geesh, i know i better pay attention tonight :)
Elissa. . . . .well, i'll lead off and we'll all pray that randy feels better during the second half lol
RevRandy. . . . .so, I turn it over to E to start
Elissa. . . . .our topic tonight is Dimensions of the Spirit...
Elissa. . . . .this PtoP category covers a broad range of concepts
Elissa. . . . .all having to do with spirit,
Elissa. . . . .and my first choice has to do with spirit guides...
Elissa. . . . .something i think gets misunderstood frequently.... so here we go:
Elissa. . . . . 0,12"Hey, we got middle men here, too. Sometimes you get a guide and sometimes
Elissa. . . . . 0,12you get an agent. Why, you ask. I'll tell you. If you only want to fly US Air
Elissa. . . . . 0,12you don't need an agent. If you only want the package tour, then you
Elissa. . . . . 0,12get a guide. But those spirits who have moved to a more complex
Elissa. . . . . 0,12understanding of life will not settle for simplicity. So for example, one
Elissa. . . . . 0,12day you need a guide who will lead you beside the still waters and another
Elissa. . . . . 0,12day you need a guide who will kick you in the butt. An agent helps supply
Elissa. . . . . 0,12the diverse needs of complex souls who have learned and remembered much and
Elissa. . . . . 0,12so have many open facets. It ain't all one to one. I will leave you with
Elissa. . . . . 0,12that tidbit to ponder.
Elissa. . . . . 0,12
Elissa. . . . . 0,12"Some have more than one agent. It's busy times. And every agent is also a
Elissa. . . . . 0,12guide, but not every guide is an agent. And an agent is not a 'main guide.'
Elissa. . . . . 0,12That's too centrist. It doesn't focus that much; and, like you, it is always
Elissa. . . . . 0,12in flux and growth and change--unless you aren't in growth and change and
Elissa. . . . . 0,12then you don't get a guide, you get a tea lady. That will make you change in
Elissa. . . . . 0,12a hurry. So, I'm going." (5/12/99 - I#34)
Elissa. . . . .ok, i will add my thoughts on this,
Elissa. . . . .but first i just want to say to our newcomers
Elissa. . . . .that the words you see in quotes and colors

Elissa. . . . .are from Rikkity
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Elissa. . . . .hey fs :)
Jackie. . . . .an agent does triage
firespirit. . . . .Hello everyone!
Elissa. . . . .so, what is guidance...
Elissa. . . . .many people think of their guides as sort of
Elissa. . . . .a spiritual family...
Elissa. . . . .they think they are assigned one "main guide"--
Elissa. . . . .kind of like Cinderella's fairy godmother--who then guides them and
Elissa. . . . .recruits help when needed...
Elissa. . . . .this is a static view, it seems to me...
Elissa. . . . .instead of family, which you are born into and that's that, i think
Elissa. . . . .of guides more like a group of friends whose membership changes...
Elissa. . . . .i don't have the same friends i had in first grade,
Elissa. . . . .because my needs and interests have changed since then...
Elissa. . . . .as i grow
Elissa. . . . .and change, my circle of friends--and guides--expands to encompass
Elissa. . . . .those changes and help me navigate those growing edges...
Elissa. . . . .this is a multidimensional process--it's not linear, but sequential
Elissa. . . . .in many directions...
Elissa. . . . .the opening or development of one facet
Elissa. . . . .can change the whole...
Elissa. . . . .but before i get too obtuse, how do you
Elissa. . . . .think of your guides?
Elissa. . . . .(if you do lol)
firespirit. . . . .I had a guide who was with me after my dad's suicide that isn't with me now..
Elissa. . . . .that's what i'm getting at, fs
Hypernoodle. . . . .as bosses
Elissa. . . . .bosses?
Hypernoodle. . . . .yep.....like supervisors
Hypernoodle. . . . .give jobs, etc.
WhiteTiger. . . . .I don't have any
journey. . . . .as tho they assist with my level of understanding on any given topic at intervals of growth, short version :)
Elissa. . . . .o wt, they're probably spelling guides and you won't listen lol
WhiteTiger. . . . .rofl
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Hypernoodle. . . . .He can spell great! He just can't type!
Elissa. . . . .good version, journey
Elissa. . . . .lol
TLCafazzo. . . . .how can you tell if you have a spirit guide?
Elissa. . . . .TLC, how can you tell? i think we get that sense differently....
WhiteTiger. . . . .I'll say that I have a dim view of guides based on what I have observed of them
Elissa. . . . .it may feel like protection, or inspiration, or belonging, or any number of things
firespirit. . . . .It's lovely if you feel it...
TLCafazzo. . . . .do they have names?
Elissa. . . . .yes, they have names
firespirit. . . . .Yes..they do..
TLCafazzo. . . . .like ours
marion. . . . .they do
Elissa. . . . .i'm hearing that PtoP made sense to most of you... any questions about it?
journey. . . . .I believe that upon discovering my desire to know more i had what i called kindergarten guides and as i have grown, so have my guides with me, even tho one main guide has seemed to always be there, i ain't much on names, it's more heart felt for me.
firespirit. . . . .I got names later as well...not at first..
Hypernoodle. . . . .I was thinking......mine don't have names like we do
TF88. . . . .rikkity said about having guides "here"...is she referring to where she is?
Elissa. . . . .yes, tf
TF88. . . . .thank you
TLCafazzo. . . . .can't your guide grow with you too, like your age level
Elissa. . . . .actually, i'll tell you what prompted it... suwan was asking about her guide,
Elissa. . . . .and i had a vision of a crowd of spirits,
Elissa. . . . .and one emerged through the crowd who looked quite distinctive....
firespirit. . . . .Cool!
Elissa. . . . .i thought it was suwan's "main guide" but then Rikkity gave us that PtoP :)
Hypernoodle. . . . .so you can see other people's guides, Elissa?
Elissa. . . . .i have occasionally, hyper
Hypernoodle. . . . .neat :)
firespirit. . . . .I see my guides in dreams..
TLCafazzo. . . . .is it scarey?
Elissa. . . . .TLC it's only scary if you're afraid of it :)
TF88. . . . .I am aware of guides coming for specific circumstances, but they are not around during other times...I mean bunches, that is.
Elissa. . . . .yes, tf, that's how it seems to work for me, too
firespirit. . . . .After a while you welcome them and isn't scary...comforting..
TLCafazzo. . . . .how about when you go to sleep?
Elissa. . . . .very comforting and affirming and loving
Elissa. . . . .in dreams is a great way to meet your guides
firespirit. . . . .Some times I sense them when I go to sleep not scary...now..
journey. . . . .I have many times where i dont feel any guides, none, zippo
firespirit. . . . .Yes..elissa..I have met them in my dreams..it's aweesomeeeee..
kxkoda. . . . .sounds wonderful.
kxkoda. . . . .I want to meet my guide
marion. . . . .me too
firespirit. . . . .It is but you have to listen and be open to the idea...
Elissa. . . . .i met one in a dream who has been with me always.... he put 3 purple stones into my hand and i felt it physically
Hypernoodle. . . . .that's great, Elissa :)
firespirit. . . . .It's lovely,.., elissa!
TLCafazzo. . . . .can you see anyone of our guides?
Elissa. . . . .it was cool :) i now have 3 pieces of amethyst jewelry to remind me of that dream
journey. . . . .elissa, once having experienced that do you get a visual or sound or feeling center specific to your guides presence?
firespirit. . . . .Lovely..elissa..
Elissa. . . . .a feeling, yes journey... and of course, a conversation from time to time :)
RevRandy. . . . .mine is an old Icelander.... does
RevRandy. . . . .not say much --- but gives me a feeling of strength
firespirit. . . . .conversation can be confusing at first...
firespirit. . . . .I have an irish one RR...
journey. . . . .ty elissa :)
Elissa. . . . .well, let's move on to my next PtoP so we'll have time to talk about it before the break:
firespirit. . . . .k
marion. . . . .k
kxkoda. . . . .k
Elissa. . . . . 0,12"You want to experience your spiritual reality. Sure. No problem, man. Sit
Elissa. . . . . 0,12down, sense yourself as infinite yet marvelously compact--a dot of being
Elissa. . . . . 0,12that contains all--and then see that dot connected to all the other dots.
Elissa. . . . . 0,12And you've got it. But wait...can your mind embrace both of those, no. So I
Elissa. . . . . 0,12guess that exercise is beyond us. So think about this. Such a transcending
Elissa. . . . . 0,12sense of self is not in this level. Get it and you aren't here anymore. So,
Elissa. . . . . 0,12it will never be here with these issues and things to learn; it belongs
Elissa. . . . . 0,12elsewhere. You are asking for a learning that is the result of the learning
Elissa. . . . . 0,12at this level, not a learning at this level. Don't mistake outcome and
Elissa. . . . . 0,12process for each other. I suspect humbly...sure, that's it, humbly...that to
Elissa. . . . . 0,12search for such is to try to avoid the lessons we need to learn first and
Elissa. . . . . 0,12here and now." (6/3/99 - I#35)
Elissa. . . . .well, here's the bad news and the good news lol...
Elissa. . . . .what this point is saying on the surface
Elissa. . . . .is that we cannot understand our spiritual reality--not only not while
Elissa. . . . .we're physical, but even not while we're in spirit at this level...
Elissa. . . . .bummer...
Elissa. . . . . but, at the same time Rikkity is saying this, she is giving
Elissa. . . . .us a glimpse into what that spiritual reality may feel or look like...
Elissa. . . . .so no, we can't get it...
Elissa. . . . .but yes, getting it is the process we're
Elissa. . . . .involved in as we evolve...
Elissa. . . . .this may sound discouraging to some, but
Elissa. . . . .to me it is hopeful...
Elissa. . . . .it says what we all already know intuitively--
Elissa. . . . .none of the ways we have tried to understand spiritual reality work
Elissa. . . . .totally...
Elissa. . . . .there are always more questions than answers for us, and
Elissa. . . . .when we get to some stopping place we find it demands more than it gives...
WhiteTiger. . . . .well no duh ;)
Elissa. . . . .:P
Elissa. . . . .so, the hope i feel here is that by focusing on the process i will
Elissa. . . . .eventually come to a richer, deeper, and more meaningful "knowing" than
Elissa. . . . .i ever could if i tried to understand spiritual reality now by either
Elissa. . . . .accepting some dogma or making assumptions about it based on natural law,
Elissa. . . . .dreams, OBEs, NDEs, etc...
Elissa. . . . .which would not only not be accurate,
Elissa. . . . .but would actually sidetrack me from the learnings that would lead
Elissa. . . . .toward understanding...
Elissa. . . . .does that make sense to you?
WhiteTiger. . . . .it can be approached deductively... if what HAS been tried don't work... then ya go with something else, imo
Hypernoodle. . . . .yes and no......the end :)
Elissa. . . . .lol that is very ambivalent, hyper
Hypernoodle. . . . .I was just talking to Tiger about it all
journey. . . . .discouraging and elitist in one way, but hopeful in this present existence in that i am able to hear her view and ponder it for sure to broaden my thinking.
firespirit. . . . .Yes..it's like exploring a travel idea...when on your trip it's different than you expected..no way to understand the culture..etc..unless you are there.
journey. . . . .i totally dislike her take on the fact that "we can't get it", cuz who the heck says we can't?
Elissa. . . . .that's the ticket, fs :)
firespirit. . . . .yep
Elissa. . . . .well, journey, do you feel we can?
journey. . . . .I dont feel anything is impossible
Elissa. . . . .can you "sense yourself as infinite yet marvelously compact--a dot of being
Elissa. . . . .that contains all--and then see that dot connected to all the other dots" ?
TLCafazzo. . . . .do you believe what Sylvia Browne talks about
firespirit. . . . .Hard to in our society Elissa...
journey. . . . .I can imagine, and her statement stifles the imagination
journey. . . . .so with much respect for her teachings, she has again given me a point to ponder :)
imbluehehe. . . . .i think we get momentary glimpses of the beyond then we're plunked back here again .. that's what it seems like
TF88. . . . .It's like a 3rd grader...can't expect that 3rd grader to comprehend high school material, although the 3rd grader is working toward that goal.
imbluehehe. . . . .like half seconds now and then.. kinda rare over here actually lol
Elissa. . . . .i've had lots of glimpses, yes blue, but i don't think they've been more than that
Elissa. . . . .journey :) it's not the way we like to think i know
imbluehehe. . . . .maybe they're not supposed to b E
WhiteTiger. . . . .it's that "infinite self" that I balk at... we're limited, and infinity is beyond us, imo
imbluehehe. . . . .hey btw i'm bluelight
Elissa. . . . .maybe not, blue (hi blue :)... and she says we need to focus on what are our learnings at this level
RevRandy. . . . .one of the theories of development says that we can see one step ahead, vaguely, but not more than one
firespirit. . . . .If we knew all there would be nothing left to explore..
Elissa. . . . .ok, wt... how do you know that?
WhiteTiger. . . . .Elissa- it's "known" info (eg: insanity)
imbluehehe. . . . .some people seem to b so 'cool' into this.. farther along.. u're saying they're really not?
journey. . . . .i agree with learning at this level, but i do think we get moments of oneness
journey. . . . .and those are what spur us to further seeking
journey. . . . .so to accept that we "can't get it on this level" is like saying give up.
Elissa. . . . .blue, maybe they are, but then again maybe they're translating spiritual reality into physical terms and sounding like they have the answers
TLCafazzo. . . . .correct
imbluehehe. . . . .maybe so .. at any rate they talk better than i do !
Elissa. . . . .lol blue
firespirit. . . . .No it's not saying give up...it's saying keep exploring but don't be disappointed if you can't to another level..
RevRandy. . . . .no, to me it means that we will finally get it, but then we will move on
TF88. . . . .journey, i think her point may be that this level isn't about "getting it"
Elissa. . . . .journey, she isn't saying "give up"... she's saying "don't settle"
journey. . . . .fire, it speaks of a negative,, like why bother, it bugs me.
RevRandy. . . . .if you really figured this level out, with all of its limitations, would you want to stay here?
imbluehehe. . . . .journey.. maybe it's like it says b ye perfect and yet we know it's pretty darn hard if not impossible except for maybe a moment now and then
firespirit. . . . .It's not negative....you can look all you want....you misunderstood what I meant..hard to explain myself here..
journey. . . . .I guess i'd feel better if i heard, Yes you Get It, but you'll get more, i heard it more in a "don't expect it" kinda tone.
Hypernoodle. . . . .true journey
imbluehehe. . . . .in other words u need encouragement .. so do i hehe
Elissa. . . . .journey, it's the journey not the destination at this level... that means we get as far as we can but there is much more ahead
RevRandy. . . . .you can't get to where you need to go (which is onward or elsewhere or more complex unless you look here to look through the known to the not-yet-known
WhiteTiger. . . . .why is that a prob journey? there is lots we can "not expect", courtesy of our very natures and their limitations
firespirit. . . . .you have all the time you need to find what your looking for..don't get frustrated..
Elissa. . . . .i think if someone told us we could get it, that would stop us at some point on our journey
Elissa. . . . .isn't that what religions have done?
imbluehehe. . . . .so give an example of what we're supposed to doing here
journey. . . . .but the encouragement is key i think
firespirit. . . . .Yes..nothing to look for elissa..
Elissa. . . . .yes, fs
Hypernoodle. . . . .the religion I was raised in said we were not worthy and could not get it
firespirit. . . . .I love to discover something new...
imbluehehe. . . . .i think it's still a little different hyper
RevRandy. . . . .but if we are the creations of the divine all, then isn't all possibility available to us
WhiteTiger. . . . .most religions say that, hyper... or they say "pay yer tithes and yer assured heaven" (or both)
imbluehehe. . . . .yes RR i like that
Hypernoodle. . . . .depends on who you listen to, RR :)
journey. . . . .agreed rr
TF88. . . . .perhaps we are reading more into rikkity's choice of the word "can't" than she truly intended.
Elissa. . . . .ok, religions say "we get it and you don't" ? lol
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WhiteTiger. . . . .bingo Elissa ;)
Elissa. . . . .hey suwan :)
RevRandy. . . . .hey suwan
imbluehehe. . . . .also Rikkity KNOWS from the other side.. so she's seeing this differently than we r
firespirit. . . . .Yes..she is blue...
Elissa. . . . .and Rikkity is saying "we don't get it and neither do you, but keep searching because that's the point at this level"
firespirit. . . . .Cool...
imbluehehe. . . . .to her what is impossible for us doesn't mean we can't get into some proximity
imbluehehe. . . . .or whatever .. not sure i said that right
RevRandy. . . . .you can't find what you don't look for
TLCafazzo. . . . .i think we need a break
Elissa. . . . .what she has said is that she doesn't know ultimate spiritual reality, but at least she KNOWS she doesn't know :)
firespirit. . . . .I do not expect to learn everything in this life time as I am evolving..
WhiteTiger. . . . .RR- true, but it also can be a case of the drunk looking for the keys under the streetlight cuz the light's better, when they were dropped in the parking lot
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imbluehehe. . . . .E .. doesnt' that mean that she'll probably choose to go for another life sometime?
Jackie. . . . .haven't you ever found something while looking for something else
WhiteTiger. . . . .DaLeaf ;)
firespirit. . . . .Yes..jackie I have..
RevRandy. . . . .sure - but it is the searching that does it -- not a submissive dismissal
Elissa. . . . .she will, blue
Elissa. . . . .and has
firespirit. . . . .Yes
journey. . . . .i think what drives many people is the hope that they can in life understand, even knowing each step leads to the next and so on
RevRandy. . . . .I think most people want answers in this life, not understanding
firespirit. . . . .Yes agreed
journey. . . . .true, but some do seek both
RevRandy. . . . .and those two are not the same
imbluehehe. . . . .so people who expect to go to 'heaven' the minute they leave here or those who expect their loved ones to b there r in for a surprise ..
Elissa. . . . .journey, hope is key, but to hold out a false hope is to short-circuit the process
WhiteTiger. . . . .I'd rather have the understanding... ya get a zillion answers for yerself from one bit of understanding (imo)
imbluehehe. . . . .i've always wondered how people feel about meeting their loved ones in spiritspace and wondering why they dont' hear what heaven is like on Fri. nites !!
RevRandy. . . . .well, folks, time flies -- and it is 10, so it is break time already\
Elissa. . . . .agree, wt
RevRandy. . . . .10 minutes of free form whatever
Jackie. . . . .this sounds like part of a communication theory idea. Once you receive some information, have some interaction, etc. you are never the same (therefore, you will not be in the same place
RevRandy. . . . .and then we will be back with more structure and my strange typing
Elissa. . . . .ok, keep chatting... we'll be back shortly :)
journey. . . . .(((Elissa and Rev)))
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imbluehehe. . . . .they never show any surprise .. i would think it would boggle their brains out
imbluehehe. . . . .or do i just think too much??? LOLOLOL
suwan. . . . .Oh I love it when I come in time for recess
Jackie. . . . .you move on, you are not the same. then when you interact with another in the group, they change, and on and on into infinity. It is impossible to stay the same.
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imbluehehe. . . . .{---- stays the same :(
imbluehehe. . . . .hehe
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TF88. . . . .hey deni!
Deni. . . . .hey tf :) Hi everyone
imbluehehe. . . . .hi Deni
firespirit. . . . .Hi Deni
suwan. . . . .hi denipoo
Deni. . . . .hi suwan *smoochies*
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Deni. . . . .hi Anne
firespirit. . . . .Hi Anne
Anne. . . . .hi
TF88. . . . .hello anne
suwan. . . . .so you all, Deni and I are talking about seeing Caroline Myss this weekend
suwan. . . . .if any of you have an opportunity to go to one of her seminars, we really recommend it
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Deni. . . . .hi Lissa-pooh
Elissa. . . . .(((((deni-face)))))
Elissa. . . . .how was it suwan?
Deni. . . . .E..it was excellent
suwan. . . . .you would all really love her, she is so energetic and just fills you up with information
RevRandybrb. . . . .OK - Rev Randy is coming back
suwan. . . . .she is currently speaking about something called Spiritual Alchemy
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Elissa. . . . .i heard her on the radio once... she was terrific
Elissa. . . . .hey marie :)
RevRandy. . . . .and I am almost ready for the second half - but I ask your indulgence - I will be typing slower
Deni. . . . .hi Marie
Marie1. . . . .hi:)
imbluehehe. . . . .hi Marie
TF88. . . . .hi marie
firespirit. . . . .HI Marie
RevRandy. . . . .my marie
Marie1. . . . .wow, thanks for the welcome everyone
RevRandy. . . . .here's a PtoP for you - short, sweet, but maybe not as simple as it seems
RevRandy. . . . . 0,12"Don't just face it, facet it. We can't and shouldn't look for other
RevRandy. . . . . 0,12dimensions until we deal with the ones here. No skipping grades. You can
RevRandy. . . . . 0,12 0,12try... but hey, you want to be the tea lady of the next level?" (6/3/99 -I#36)
RevRandy. . . . .This is really am extension of the one from before I think
RevRandy. . . . .if we are really multifaceted creatures
RevRandy. . . . .reflections of the divine
imbluehehe. . . . .what is a tea lady?
WhiteTiger. . . . .got a bit of a prob with that one RR... if it's all interconnected an interrelated, how can ya possibly master what is here without at least awareness of the surrounding matrix "here" is set in?
Elissa. . . . .blue, a tea lady is Rikkity's shorthand for first-timer
RevRandy. . . . .(ah - tea ladies - Rikkity's term for single dimension peeps)
RevRandy. . . . .same thing I guess
imbluehehe. . . . .o i c
RevRandy. . . . .anymoo
RevRandy. . . . .we are the products of the ultimate multi-faceted being - the divine
RevRandy. . . . .and so have many facets as well
RevRandy. . . . .some we use here at this level
RevRandy. . . . .and others are for other use
firespirit. . . . .Yes...
RevRandy. . . . .let me see if I can be concrete
RevRandy. . . . .take one part cement, two parts stone, some water ....
Elissa. . . . .hahaha
RevRandy. . . . .no, not that
firespirit. . . . .lol
RevRandy. . . . .let's say that one of our facets is to understand the inner aspects of connections of people's souls
RevRandy. . . . .as they express a connection to life forms other than organic matter
imbluehehe. . . . .as in?
RevRandy. . . . .if we were to use that facet here and now and in the process neglect the facet which allows us to understand the inner connection of people's souls one to another
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RevRandy. . . . .then we might know something useful for a future state of our being, but not much worth right now
imbluehehe. . . . .once that is understood the connection and put it to use what can u do with it besides teach it?
RevRandy. . . . .the task, i think she is trying to say, is to explore the facets that belong here, in this dimension of the spirit - not other ones
firespirit. . . . .understood
imbluehehe. . . . .what i mean is it our responsibility to teach what we learn?
Elissa. . . . .blue, i think we teach all the time... just by being who we are
Elissa. . . . .we all teach each other
firespirit. . . . .Yes...some lessons are harder than others..
RevRandy. . . . .to skip the needed ones would be like those who never crawl, but only walk, and then later to learn other things, like speech or coordination, need remedial crawling
imbluehehe. . . . .when i tell people things i've learned they stare at me
Elissa. . . . .at least they don't throw things :)
imbluehehe. . . . .LOL that's next probably
RevRandy. . . . .some people cam have the obvious put in front of them and they cannot see it
firespirit. . . . .than they may go home and think about them blue..
imbluehehe. . . . .maybe .. have my doubts
Elissa. . . . .sometimes people have to ponder things that are outside their usual way of thinking, blue... as we know here very well!
RevRandy. . . . .remember, one of those who put much in front of people was nailed to a cross, and his message perverted to fit what the viewers and hearers wanted to see and hear
Elissa. . . . .what is immediately accessible is often soon forgotten, but what we have to ponder tends to stay with us longer, i think
imbluehehe. . . . .well come to think of it .. u leave me staring at the screen by end of every sun. nite HAHA
imbluehehe. . . . .so guess u're right
Elissa. . . . .lol
firespirit. . . . .Yes..Elissa..I agree..
TF88. . . . .well gee...you just described the difference between pop and classical music! ROFL
journey. . . . .agreed on that point :)
Elissa. . . . .good analogy, tf :)
imbluehehe. . . . .not sure TF i often ponder pop music more cuz i understand the classical so much better lol
RevRandy. . . . .what is already known takes no work -- and the rest we resist because it takes so much
WhiteTiger. . . . .hmmmmmmm
firespirit. . . . .time and it's hard to look at ourselves...and realize there is so much out there to ponder about..
imbluehehe. . . . .we get so deep :D
RevRandy. . . . .the world is full of music that at the premier was hailed with tomatoes and riots and now are the warhorses
imbluehehe. . . . .true RR .. altho some of the warhorses of the past r railed with tomatoes now hehe
WhiteTiger. . . . .perhaps it would be helpful to regularly take out what ya "know" and inspect it anew
Elissa. . . . .sometimes we resist it because we need to expand our horizons to make it "fit" with what we know
RevRandy. . . . .ok - here's a related PtoP
RevRandy. . . . . 0,12"Those who try to describe spiritual reality with the terms they know get it
RevRandy. . . . . 0,12wrong... like using only numbers to describe a sunset." (10/4/99 - I#38)
RevRandy. . . . .I recently wrote an essay using some SP material
RevRandy. . . . .about how people like to see God as a repairman
RevRandy. . . . .or a magician
RevRandy. . . . .when what would happen if we let the infinite be infinite, eternal and all possible, instead of concrete
WhiteTiger. . . . .heck, those who use words to describe reality of any sort get it wrong, period (imo)
imbluehehe. . . . .if we can't use our terms tho we'll remain speechless and unable to tell of it
firespirit. . . . .God helps those who help themselves...I think thats the way it goes..
journey. . . . .we know words are symbols of our true experience, but, that is what we have to work with.
imbluehehe. . . . .even u and Rikkity use our words
WhiteTiger. . . . ."the map is not the territory"
Elissa. . . . .if we know we can't describe spiritual reality accurately with words, then we'll present what we know as glimpses and hints and leave it open
RevRandy. . . . .yes - we do, and many of Rikkity's pieces end with "or not" ...
imbluehehe. . . . .in other words don't put God in a box
Elissa. . . . .not unless it's a much bigger box than the ones we have!!! lol
WhiteTiger. . . . .blue- anything ya can put in a box ain't god, by definition, in my book
TF88. . . . .but we often want to put our learning into a box
RevRandy. . . . .in a box, in a cliche, in a theory, in a scripture, only in an experience
TF88. . . . .with nice tidy edges
journey. . . . .may i ask if you have had any experience with another dimensions aside from channeling
journey. . . . .i have q'd about dimensions in general
imbluehehe. . . . .good point TF
RevRandy. . . . .O yes -
Elissa. . . . .sometimes boxes are useful, if we use them as temporary measures knowing we'll need bigger ones as our awareness expands
WhiteTiger. . . . .dimensions are interesting to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there ;)
Elissa. . . . .lol
Elissa. . . . .o yes, journey, many experiences
RevRandy. . . . .and I can only tell you I have had them and if I try to tell you about them I would destroy them
journey. . . . .may i ask a q
RevRandy. . . . .sure
Elissa. . . . .sure
imbluehehe. . . . .why RR?
imbluehehe. . . . .i have tried to tell what i experienced it didnt' destroy my memory of it
WhiteTiger. . . . .blue- cuz the descriptive terms don't exist here... trying to use what IS here to describe there would cloud the recalled experiences
journey. . . . .how do you know, if an experience has to do with a different dimension or not, and do you get glimpses of different dimensions and how?
journey. . . . .and can you give advice on this, thanks
imbluehehe. . . . .one of mine was a feeling .. hard to describe
RevRandy. . . . .If I can't reduce it down to ordinary terms, that tells me something
imbluehehe. . . . .i disagree White Tiger
Elissa. . . . .you know if you experience reality in a way you normally cannot consciously, and it leaves you with an awareness you didn't have before
firespirit. . . . .Yes..RR I agree
WhiteTiger. . . . .yer privilege blue :)
RevRandy. . . . .that's Mr. White Tiger
journey. . . . .i wonder if the term "flashpoint" has any meaning for anybody
WhiteTiger. . . . .lol
Elissa. . . . .my glimpses have come via an NDE and many visions
firespirit. . . . .I don't know the term flashpoint..sorry
journey. . . . .elissa, are they fleeting? like for a sec or milisec?
imbluehehe. . . . .RR .. what does it tell u?
Elissa. . . . .some have been like that, journey... many have been extended "times"
WhiteTiger. . . . .I've been physically in "other places" a few times... interesting experience
journey. . . . .flashpoint is only a word i made up that fit my experience
firespirit. . . . .Oh..I see journey..
RevRandy. . . . .it tells me about the ultimate connection of all
imbluehehe. . . . .i think this is what gives too much vagueness to what we could try to pass along
Elissa. . . . .journey, are you talking about flashes of light or insight?
RevRandy. . . . .I sense more than see how it is all one
imbluehehe. . . . .to simply not pass it along because of not trying hard enuf to find some words
Elissa. . . . .wt, physically? how do you mean?
WhiteTiger. . . . .Elissa- as in me and the bod both being elsewhere, for varying periods of time
journey. . . . .both elissa, light in a big blast but being "out of the room" but in an ordinary setting, nothing like trying to or like that
Elissa. . . . .i'd like to hear more about that wt
WhiteTiger. . . . .the really fun one was the one my ex got to accompany me on... we spent the night camped in a place that just ain't there ;)
Elissa. . . . .cool, wt :)
TF88. . . . .was that the time you got an extra day WT?
WhiteTiger. . . . .she made me drive back and forth for half a day almost trying to find the turnoff we took... and which she carefully marked on the map... it doesn't exist
WhiteTiger. . . . .no TF... the extra time was another bit of weirdness
Elissa. . . . .that is fascinating, wt
Elissa. . . . .i've seen huge flashes of light like that... indoor lightening lol
firespirit. . . . .Yes..me too..elissa..
Elissa. . . . .Rikkity told me it was a focusing of energy
journey. . . . .elissa, the room was not there, i need to find understanding of this
Elissa. . . . .o journey, maybe it was a time warp? i've seen things that weren't there when i looked again
firespirit. . . . .energy for who or what elissa?
Elissa. . . . .fs, different energies at different times... but an intensity because of both my focus and an event that was happening for others at the same "time"
journey. . . . .elissa, i know it has meaning or it would not have happened, but i am clueless
firespirit. . . . .I understand...Elissa..thanks
Elissa. . . . .maybe the meaning is in your searching to understand it, journey :) i know you don't like that answer lol
RevRandy. . . . .if we look for our spiritual moments to all look alike, we miss the special reality of our own spiritual journeys
imbluehehe. . . . .i had a physical feeling that suddenly went 'up' then seemed like it was blending into liquid then vanished .. totally unlike what i've ever felt before and impossible to describe but i tried anyway
journey. . . . .i do like that answer, i believe in searching wholeheartedly
Elissa. . . . .i'm kidding, journey
RevRandy. . . . .I want to share one more PtoP if I may - may I ?
imbluehehe. . . . .i know u're all thinking that was something else but it wasn't LOLOL
Elissa. . . . .wow blue, that's wild!
firespirit. . . . .Yes...
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Elissa. . . . .yes you may :)
journey. . . . .i dont like feeling as without knowledge as i feel on this, but i trust the process :)
RevRandy. . . . .thank you
Elissa. . . . .:)
RevRandy. . . . . 0,12"We don't do much reduction of the miraculous to the ordinary. To force any
RevRandy. . . . . 0,12experience into a single system of understanding based on our limited
RevRandy. . . . . 0,12perceptive abilities is to deny the majesty of creation. You know--and mark
RevRandy. . . . . 0,12this well--you don't have to choose between the miraculous and the natural.
RevRandy. . . . . 0,12Scientific explanations can coexist with spiritual ones, if you think of
RevRandy. . . . . 0,12science and spirit differently than is now usually the case. And I don't
RevRandy. . . . . 0,12mean using pseudo-science to prove spirit nor a meta-spirituality to embrace
RevRandy. . . . . 0,12science, but something more. Ponder that together." (6/4/2000 - I#44)
imbluehehe. . . . .journey what do u mean without knowledge?
imbluehehe. . . . .sorry RR
RevRandy. . . . .ok
Elissa. . . . .ah great point for this discussion
journey. . . . .im, i mean i have no knowledge of any reference for my experience, and so i seek it out
WhiteTiger. . . . .hmmmmm
Elissa. . . . .hmmmmmmm
Elissa. . . . .tf, may we have an "a" please
WhiteTiger. . . . .I have yet to see anything "ntural" that WASN'T miraculous
TF88. . . . .a
Elissa. . . . .thank you
RevRandy. . . . .too often IMHO people use pseudoscience
RevRandy. . . . .to explain things
RevRandy. . . . .and pseudospirit to also explain things
RevRandy. . . . .as if we have to explain everything
imbluehehe. . . . .i agree with that except that too often because of science in the past it has put peep's thinking into a box
TF88. . . . .$50 please ;)
Elissa. . . . .put it on my tab :)
TF88. . . . .lol
journey. . . . .tf, ever see lucy with the 5c cup, i thought of charlie brown for a sec :)
WhiteTiger. . . . .lol journey
suwan. . . . .well this is kind of what we were talking about at our seminar this weekend,
suwan. . . . .it was about Spiritual Alchemy and the Spiritual side of the science of alchemy that spans the millenniums
TF88. . . . .journey, if you only knew what a coincidence your question about lucy is!
imbluehehe. . . . .RR.. i think not attempting to explain promotes separateness
imbluehehe. . . . .remaining vague promotes the air of mysticism
RevRandy. . . . .sharing and explaining are two different things to me
RevRandy. . . . .and forcing similarity does not make connection
Elissa. . . . .alchemy was a pseudo-science
journey. . . . .suwan, please simplify it for the room
imbluehehe. . . . .what would forcing b?
imbluehehe. . . . .an example?
Elissa. . . . .blue, how about trying to "prove" mediumship by using scientific experiments?
WhiteTiger. . . . .lol
firespirit. . . . .difficult...
Elissa. . . . .yep
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RevRandy. . . . .if I have an experience which involves red light and you have an experience than involves red light, to imply they are related is to force a connection
imbluehehe. . . . .ok i get that .. thanks E
Elissa. . . . .yw blue
journey. . . . .it is not physical, so how can it be proved, except with energetic devices r some sort
WhiteTiger. . . . .science is properly unwilling to address certain topics... those things which are not quantifiable are beyond the scope of science
journey. . . . .i think it interesting tho that more peeps are seemingly open to the "thought"
imbluehehe. . . . .gee RR were we talking about 2 different things :0
Elissa. . . . .and yet some scientists try to prove we have a spirit, wt
imbluehehe. . . . .we all do our best i guess :0
journey. . . . .i think it's so personal and that only your experience is what proves out your truths
firespirit. . . . .I don't think matters of the heart or soul can be measured..
Elissa. . . . .and some who are spiritual try to make their system of thought "scientific" so it will be accepted
Elissa. . . . .i agree, journey
imbluehehe. . . . .i agree journey but i think it's neat to share experience
Elissa. . . . .it's important to share, but not to think we can give someone else our experience
firespirit. . . . .Yes..
Deni. . . . .good point E
journey. . . . .i love sharing experiences too, even if i dont fit at times, :), it's good place to share
Elissa. . . . .ty deni-face :)
Deni. . . . .:)
imbluehehe. . . . .E r u referring to Course in Miracles perhaps .. christian science etc. ?
Elissa. . . . .((((((journey)))))) you fit about as much as any of us here do lol
WhiteTiger. . . . .Elissa- kinda like trying to install piston to fix the trunk latch on yer car.. the car (existence) may use both, but the parts don't interchange ;)
imbluehehe. . . . .never thot of it that way .. very interesting
journey. . . . .lol elissa, i know that, and i ((()))) ya
firespirit. . . . .Yes journey...we are all cut a little different..
imbluehehe. . . . .journey u do too fit
Elissa. . . . .perhaps, blue... and some others
Elissa. . . . .lol wt
imbluehehe. . . . .good point i hadn't thot of
Elissa. . . . .good thing to remember when you're trying to debate beliefs with someone :)
journey. . . . .elissa, i wonder if ever you and Rev would hold a session with rikkity where we could ask her stuff off the cuff
journey. . . . .just curious
RevRandy. . . . .well, folks, the time is drawing to a close -- my fingers have decided to wander off to some other dimension
Elissa. . . . .maybe someday, journey... our last chat will be on december 17, but maybe next year
Elissa. . . . .poor randy :(
journey. . . . .ok, and have wonderful holidays!!!!
RevRandy. . . . .so any last comments?
TF88. . . . .goodnight all...many thanks
Elissa. . . . .thank you all for an awesome discussion! this was very fun!
WhiteTiger. . . . .hmmmmm
kxkoda. . . . .good night
WhiteTiger. . . . .nite keiko
* Moon : Goodnight everyone!
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Elissa. . . . . 8,6!Elissa rainbow.mid 6,8 :o)
RevRandy. . . . .night all - to our US friends, a good thanksgiving, and to our Canadian friends, a better election process than ours
journey. . . . .((rev and elissa and rikkity)))
Marie1. . . . .nite rev
imbluehehe. . . . .nite nite RR
WhiteTiger. . . . .lol RR
RevRandy. . . . .nite all
Elissa. . . . .happy thanksgiving everyone... stuff those faces well!
Deni. . . . .good night everyone
Elissa. . . . .(((((((((everyone))))))))))
WhiteTiger. . . . .nite Deni
Deni. . . . .good holiday everyone
Deni. . . . .:)
Deni. . . . .smoochies!!!
imbluehehe. . . . .thank u for a great meeting of hearts :D
WhiteTiger. . . . .You and RR have a good one, Elissa :)
Elissa. . . . .*kiss kiss*
Marie1. . . . .deni, smoochies
Elissa. . . . .ty wt, and you and hyper too
journey. . . . .i am going to ss, see ya everyone and thanks for sharing so much :)
Session Close: Sun Nov 19 23:19:28 2000